Lady Saiyuki Copying Dolls?

Copied from a post on Den of Demons:

Metrocon was this past weekend, and both LS and Amaira were there. Amaira had no idea any of this was happening at all, so she went to talk to Lady Sayuki about it after we told her about it. In the end, all she had to do was look her in the eye, say she didn’t try to kill her baby or whatever, and Lady Sayuki said she’d post on her blog and take back what she’d said. I’m waiting to see if/when this happens.

There was some truth to Lady Sayuki’s story though- Amaira Rose did run into her last year. Amaira’s a very touchy/huggy person. She hugs as a greeting and tends to put a hand on your arm when she’s talking. She went to hug Lady Sayuki, who she was basically friends with, when someone ran into her. She, in turn, bumped into LS. There was apparently a delay, then an ‘ouch’ or whatever, Lady Sayuki’s boyfriend/husband or whatever was freaking out, but nothing else happened. Amaira hung around the booth for a while, and all was fine.

So yeah, TL;DR Amaira didn’t try to kill her baby, but she did bump into her.

Nice throwing your friend under the bus, there, I guess?

Since she’s going to retract the story on her blog, do you suppose she’s also going to apologize for claiming Den of Demons conspired to hurt her baby? I mean, I’ve asked (even on her forum — posting is moderated and she or whoever is doing the moderating didn’t let my post through) for links to or screencaps of the offending posts, and no one’s provided me with a thing, and now she’s admitting that no one even tried to hurt her baby.

Heck, I’d settle for her admitting that it wasn’t true, sans apology, but I doubt I’m going to get that either. I guess theoretically I could contact a lawyer about her libeling the forum as a whole, since she’s basically falsely accusing us of plotting attempted murder and she knows it, but fortunately for her I feel like that’s a waste of my time.

Den of Angels admin Armeleia has made an official statement about the email Lady Saiyuki posted from “her”. She’s also made a statement on her blog stating that the email is a complete fabrication. Important bits: 1. Armeleia has had no contact with Lady Saiyuki since 2007. 2. That’s not her email address. 3. The email sounds nothing like her anyway. 4. She has not had any communication from Lady Saiyuki’s supporters asking that she be unbanned. 5. “This is libel and I will be seeking counsel.”

Full text of the DoA post after the jump, for anyone who can’t access it for any reason:

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Lady Saiyuki has made several very lengthy posts about this ongoing scandal in her forum. I’ve made a screencap of them for posterity, in case they disappear later (be warned, it is a very large PNG).

Contents of the post include the full text of the email allegedly sent to her by Armeleia, comparison photos with an Asleep Eidolon Pear head, and allegations that members of Den of Demons dared each other to hurt Lady Saiyuki at conventions to make her miscarry her baby while she was pregnant.

About this last: As a long-time member and a current administrator of Den of Demons, I  can say that to my knowledge this never happened. I’m not aware of there ever being any posts of this type, and if anyone has links to or screencaps of any of these posts I ask that they please send me the links. Email them, send them via AIM, PM me on Den of Demons or Den of Angels, comment here, I don’t care — just give me caps or links. Because I have never deleted any posts that had to do with LadySaiyuki, to my knowledge the previous admin never deleted any posts that had to do with ANYTHING, and I’m not aware of any such posts ever having existed.

Apparently the reports of communication between LadySaiyuki and Den of Angels/Armeleia are a total fabrication:

It has been brought to my attention that someone on LadySaiyuki’s forum has been referring to emails between LadySaiyuki and I.

as for moc and doa, neither will budge. armeleia told ls straight out she would never be allowed back on doa no matter what she did or proved and she also said that moc and ae would never retract those false statements either, I’m tempted to post the email that armeleia sent to ls, but I really think ls should post it, I’m going to call her tonight to try and get her to come back to her forum and make a public post on what has happened over the past few months. she’s been away for too long and from what I see here she’s missed.

These emails do not exist.  The sole communication between DoA and LadySaiyuki was her ban notice on DoA, which simply states that the issue is between her and Mint on Card.  We have not contacted her personally, nor has she contacted us.

I have had absolutely no contact with LadySaiyuki in over two years.  Anything produced to the contrary has been fabricated and I would consider it libelous.  I have absolutely no desire to be involved in this drama and have worked very hard to keep DoA as uninvolved as possible.   This is not “a DoA scandal;”  it is an issue that is strictly between Lady Saiyuki and Asleep Eidolon.

This is the only statement that I am going to make on this issue.  I am an uninvolved party and wish to remain so.

Edited to add: Apparently the allegations of communication between LadySaiyuki and Mint on Card are also false, according to the comment they were kind enough to leave below.

The following was posted on the LadySaiyuki.com forum by user ABailey82 (who interestingly appears to have joined specifically to post this):

I’m not really too far into the doll community, not even a member of doa,

I was one of the people who bought 1 of ls’s Pear heads that mismatched it’s body. due to all this crap that’s happened, I more and likely will not keep the pear head, but I did take a few pics for comparison for ls when she sent me her prototype head. and I know she’s been really busy with moving into a larger house, her baby, and all the other crazy stuff that’s been happening to her. she’s been mia from the internet for a few months and I heard from the cosplay crew she was just in the hospital again.
but I seriously believe these photo’s really need to be here asap, so I’m, posting the side by side lineup that I sent to ls….shows 5 different views of BOTH heads together:

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I’ve sent this image of the lineup comparison to ls along with all the separate files and a couple others, these pics show pretty well that Ls’s head is not a modded copy like the false slander that’s going around says.

There are obvious differences between the two heads. but I think I’ll let ls post more in detail as to what is obviously different.

I honestly told ls she should go after the moc and ae companies as well as dod for the false slander they’ve put against her, especially being that they had no physical evidence, just a few photoshop layovers done by people that have hated ls long before this ever happened. but ls told me back in feb, that she was so sick and tired of a guilty until proven innocent community and that fact that no matter what she did or said or proved it’s not like she can ever get back on doa anymore and that she has more important things to do, like taking care of her child, moving into a new home, and getting healthy again among other things. it’s a shame really, as I was just an anime convention hopper and it was ls that introduced me to bjd’s and now that I’m starting to get interested in them, the one who got me into them now doesn’t want to do what she loves anymore.

well I’ve said my peace and I’m just glad now that this evidence is now up, hopefully ls will get back on her site and fill in the rest of the blanks on the “doa scandal/nasty email she got from the new doa owner” and all the other drama surrounding this terrible incident.

And a later followup:

I was told by a cosplay buddy of mine she was in the hospital for possible appendicitis. I think she’s ok though.

as for moc and doa, neither will budge. armeleia told ls straight out she would never be allowed back on doa no matter what she did or proved and she also said that moc and ae would never retract those false statements either, I’m tempted to post the email that armeleia sent to ls, but I really think ls should post it, I’m going to call her tonight to try and get her to come back to her forum and make a public post on what has happened over the past few months. she’s been away for too long and from what I see here she’s missed.

and I’ll find out how she’s doing as well, I hope she is well or at least recovering well. she is a tough cookie so I’m sure she’s ok. but it doesn’t hurt to check in on her now and then.

I really hope that she’ll make her msd doll as she is very very beautiful and she’s really my type of doll. and I really hope she continues with her msd line as I was hoping for a larger eyed cutie made by ls one day.

Now, to step briefly out of the impartial blog updater role:

First of all, those photos make me more convinced, not less, that the doll is a copy.

Secondly, I would put money on ABailey82 being LadySaiyuki gone incognito. For someone who just happens to know her, she sure knows (and cares) a lot about exactly what’s going on in her life.

Third, considering that from a legal perspective I am Den of Demons — I pay for the webhost, the domain is registered to me, the VBulletin registration is in my name — I must admit that I can’t be totally impartial when she’s possibly plotting legal action against me (theoretically DOD could stand for Dream of Doll, but I don’t think they ever got involved so I assume she means Den of Demons). That said I do  not take the threat seriously at all, considering she doesn’t even know that had DOD made false and damaging statements about her, which we have not, that would be libel.

More updates as events warrant!

Lady Saiyuki posted some news to her website on February 3, but made some revisions as of last night or today:

Hello there Everyone on LS,
sorry for my recent absence, I have not been very well and have needed a much needed Break for my health, which I’m taking still,
but I wanted to say how sorry I was to miss out of Idex this year, as there were so many people that have supported me and been wonderful friends to me, that I would have loved to see.

and I am now starting to tackle my many many emails, pms and messages of support and love, I should have all of them answered within the week.

I send my hugs and love to all my Friends, Family, colleagues and fans that stick by me and have always believed in me, you are all a treasure to me and I love you all so very dearly.

I heard so many nice and wonderful things that everyone said about me and my dolls at Idex and all the wonderful wishes that were passed to me through my table that was at Idex.

oh and the online store will be updated with dolls that were on display at Idex later this week.

And Sadly due to all the stresses that have arisen via the doll community, I have decided that my new Kodomo serenity will not be made available for now (the few who ordered her will be contacted asap and refunded accordingly) as I will not have a doll that I put so much love and effort into ridiculed or harassed anymore than it already has been, this may change in the future after everything has been cleared up…oh and don’t get me wrong, I will still be posting Comparison pics to prove allegations made by scum of the doll community completely false (as I have proven every single time they have made these bogus/nasty allegations (every single doll I’ve ever made has been attacked by the scum of the community over the years…and after a while it just gets irritating and tiresome))
I’m just not interested in fueling their pitiful and lowly fires of drama attempting discussions….

one thing I will say, I will be starting a Yokai series that will all come with “saluting” right hand extra pieces dedicated to the lowly scum of the doll community (this hand will only be available to those 18 and over or to those under 18 that their parents/gaurdians can contact me and let me know it’s ok for them to have such a hand (it will be a “Flipping the bird” hand))

Thanks again everyone and I will update when I have both heads and have taken pics and have unstressed a little and feel a little better. and again I look forward to answering all the wonderful emails and messages that I have received,
~LS

I’m interested to see that she’s not admitting that Bobobie opted not to cast the doll.

It seems that there was a preorder for Lady Saiyuki’s dolls that included the Kodomo Serenity sculpt. Since it’s become clear that Bobobie will not be casting that doll, I’d be interested to hear whether people who preordered it have been refunded or even notified that their preorders won’t be fulfilled on schedule if at all.

I somehow doubt that anyone who’s a big enough fan of Lady Saiyuki to have ordered one of their dolls will want to talk to me, but I figure there’s no harm in asking what people have heard.

There haven’t been any updates pretty much because there’s been nothing to report. As far as I’m aware Lady Saiyuki has been MIA since January 6. No new “progress photos” have been posted since then and she’s made no attempt to refute anything posted here.

A Den of Demons poster who claims to be friendly with people at Bobobie says that the Serenity prototype was sent  back to Lady Saiyuki as of last week, so presumably the doll will not be cast, at least not by Bobobie.

A comparison of the DoC fist hands and Serenity’s fist hands.

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A helpful Den of Demons poster provided images of the new-type DOC girl body compared to Lady Saiyuki’s doll’s arms and torso, speculating that Lady Saiyuki’s doll uses a modified (breasts removed, parts sanded) DOC type 2 torso, arms, and feet. The poster notes that details such as the collarbones appear to be a perfect match.

LS Kodomo Elbow
DOC Type 2 Elbow

LS Kodomo Sitting
DOC Type 2 Sitting

LS Kodomo Hip Piece
DOC Type 2 Hip Piece

LS Kodomo Unstrung Torso
DOC Type 2 Unstrung Torso

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